It just happens to be the oldest reason in the world:From the Associated Press:
A prominent Catholic priest at the center of the main rioting area, [the] Ardoyne in north Belfast, said he feared that the latest rioting chiefly reflects the collapse of parental responsibility in local households, not any deep-seated political agenda. The Rev. Gary Donegan said violence that continued until 2 a.m. Wednesday in [the] Ardoyne featured rioters aged 8 to 18 — backed by crowds of girls capturing the mayhem on their cell phones for posting on social networking Web sites.
"Recreational rioting is the term," the 46-year-old priest said. "It was like a Disney theme park for rioting. It was ludicrous."
Donegan said he and local Ardoyne authority figures — among them Irish Republican Army veterans once involved in directing, not stopping, riots — tried all night to take rocks, bottles and stones out of children's hands, but the kids wouldn't listen. Donegan said he particularly talked to a 9-year-old boy who had walked a mile (2 kilometers) that night to reach the rioting zone. "I thought to myself: Where are your parents? Who's supervising you?" he said in a telephone interview.
The priest said girls, many of them dressed for a night out — "At one stage it looked like a Milan catwalk," he quipped — had come to watch the boys riot. The boys in turn appeared determined to impress the girls with their bravery. He said alcohol and drug abuse fueled their dangerous behavior as police doused the crowd with jets from a water cannon.
He said IRA dissidents opposed to Northern Ireland's peace process undoubtedly have played a background role in stoking the past three nights' rioting, which has spread to several other working-class Catholic parts of Belfast and other towns. But the priest said he and Ardoyne community leaders were openly questioning whether the area's children would have sought street fights with police even if the cited catalyst for the trouble — a small Orange parade near [the] Ardoyne on Monday night — had been barred by police. "That's the burning question for us," he said. "I saw children facing down what would have been hardened mainstream (IRA) republicans of yesteryear who are now full weight behind the peace process, and they were taking (abuse) from these young people who were literally out of control."
"Recreational rioting is the term," the 46-year-old priest said. "It was like a Disney theme park for rioting. It was ludicrous."
Donegan said he and local Ardoyne authority figures — among them Irish Republican Army veterans once involved in directing, not stopping, riots — tried all night to take rocks, bottles and stones out of children's hands, but the kids wouldn't listen. Donegan said he particularly talked to a 9-year-old boy who had walked a mile (2 kilometers) that night to reach the rioting zone. "I thought to myself: Where are your parents? Who's supervising you?" he said in a telephone interview.
The priest said girls, many of them dressed for a night out — "At one stage it looked like a Milan catwalk," he quipped — had come to watch the boys riot. The boys in turn appeared determined to impress the girls with their bravery. He said alcohol and drug abuse fueled their dangerous behavior as police doused the crowd with jets from a water cannon.
He said IRA dissidents opposed to Northern Ireland's peace process undoubtedly have played a background role in stoking the past three nights' rioting, which has spread to several other working-class Catholic parts of Belfast and other towns. But the priest said he and Ardoyne community leaders were openly questioning whether the area's children would have sought street fights with police even if the cited catalyst for the trouble — a small Orange parade near [the] Ardoyne on Monday night — had been barred by police. "That's the burning question for us," he said. "I saw children facing down what would have been hardened mainstream (IRA) republicans of yesteryear who are now full weight behind the peace process, and they were taking (abuse) from these young people who were literally out of control."
23 comments:
WOW....As a parent of a 12 and a 8 year old, I don't know what else to say. I can't imagine...
Glenna
Its a pretty pathetic spectacle. The Ardoyne has relatively high unemployment but not worse than other deprived places in Northern Ireland or Scotland; unfortunately however there is this culture of recreational summer rioting. It's very self defeating. I know that if I was a small business owner I'd certainly avoid investing in an area like that.
Hmmmm ... 'high unemployment'? 'Disney theme park?' Aren't we staring at the obvious here?
Pay the kids to riot. Charge the tourists to take a (bulletproof) bus-ride through the mayhem.
Everyone's a winner.
I left Australia early in 1981, got a job on an evening paper in Leicester and walked right into the UK-wide summer riots of that year. They were fuelled by drink, stupidity and boredom rather than social injustice or race hate and as a bleeding copper told me at a first aid station, "We only have riots during a hot summer."
Flash mobs in Norhtern Ireland. Jeezuz. What ever happened to good, old-fashioned sectarian strife?
I thought we might get your take on this sooner or later.
Rioting seems to have come up a lot around me lately. First we had the Santa Cruz riot, then a few days ago the Oakland riot after the police shooting verdict and now this. Although they've all been different, none of them have really had that feeling of something erupting out of long simmering anger. The two here in California have seemed very orchestrated rather than impulsive.
Dec
Genius. Your talents as an entrepreneur have been under utilised. I think you should try and get on the Apprentice.
David
Yes, I 100 percent agree. In Belfast as soon as the rains come the riots end. Cold too deters them. The police would be more effective if they ignored completely the boys throwing stones and fired the water cannon at the wee millies in their Saturday night gear.
Peter
It got boring. If it doesnt look interesting enough to put on YouTube they wont do it.
Seana
Yeah I think a lot of it is orchestrated and coupled with boredom and showing off. It gets your adrenalin going too. Back in 99 - I think - during a riot in Belfast my little brother and I saw a bunch of kids trying to throw a litter bin through a shop window. It was a local shop and so we got out of the car and chased the kids for about half a mile. Dont know what we would have done if we'd caught them but fortunately we didnt.
The riots and the backlash against the police over Raoul Moat are two reasons I've avoided the news this week. It's all too depressing.
My mother and her 8 siblings were born and raised in Twaddell Avenue, at Ardoyne, a stones throw (literally) from the north Belfast scene of these riots.
Having a passing (and past) acquaintance with the youth culture described, its description as recreational is accurate. The only missing causal element is the presence of (not admiring girls) but the world's press.
It's funny the press reports never seem to mention this?
"I saw children facing down what would have been hardened mainstream (IRA) republicans of yesteryear who are now full weight behind the peace process, and they were taking (abuse) from these young people who were literally out of control."
I wonder how these young rioters would have stacked up against the ones of yesteryear. Thinking most would be running home crying to their parents, if it were the rioting of the past like I have read about.
Mike
Well they should have let Gazza in to negotiate. (Did you hear that story?). Man that would have been something.
Philip
There's a great story I once heard from an AP photographer about how during one Belfast riot a wee mucker of about 11 was constantly criticising his choice of lenses for taking pics of the riots.
Sean
Well thank God we're not going back to the bad old days, but even so you'd love to see the white shites afraid of something or someone.
Sensational news about Paul The Octopus:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/15/paul-the-octopus-madrid-transfer
Now see, I don't get this, because if anything is quite clear, it is that Paul is impartial. He didn't vote for Germany just because it would have been the politic thing to do. If Spain loses next time, what will become of their "National Treasure" then?
Paul, I wouldn't go if I were you. Cleveland might be a good choice, though. They could do with a bit of cheering up just now.
Adrian, I hadn't heard of the Gazza connection. Ta for the heads-up. I love his agent's reaction when told Gazze was in Rothbury offering to speak to Moat: "He's doing what?!" :D
Seana, octopods have relatively short life spans. Send Paul to Cleveland, and he'll die with in just a few years, and Cleveland has suffered enough loss already. And if he doesn't die, he'll probably leap the bounds of his tank and slither to the Miami zoo.
What I really wonder is how kids so young are getting out of the house to go riot? The 16 year olds I could almost see since they could lie and drive themselves, even the 15 year olds could have an older friend take them I guess, but 8? I have to agree that it goes back to the parents.
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